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in this House not an object of desire to numbers by any means or at
any charge; but the depriving it of all power and all dignity。  This
would do it。  This is the true and only nostrum for that purpose。
But a House of Commons without power and without dignity; either in
itself or its members; is no House of Commons for the purposes of
this Constitution。

But they will be afraid to act ill; if they know that the day of
their account is always near。  I wish it were true; but it is not;
here again we have experience; and experience is against us。  The
distemper of this age is a poverty of spirit and of genius; it is
trifling; it is futile; worse than ignorant; superficially taught;
with the politics and morals of girls at a boarding…school; rather
than of men and statesmen; but it is not yet desperately wicked; or
so scandalously venal as in former times。  Did not a triennial
parliament give up the national dignity; approve the Peace of
Utrecht; and almost give up everything else in taking every step to
defeat the Protestant succession?  Was not the Constitution saved by
those who had no election at all to go to; the Lords; because the
Court applied to electors; and by various means carried them from
their true interests; so that the Tory Ministry had a majority
without an application to a single member?  Now; as to the conduct
of the members; it was then far from pure and independent。  Bribery
was infinitely more flagrant。  A predecessor of yours; Mr。 Speaker;
put the question of his own expulsion for bribery。  Sir William
Musgrave was a wise man; a grave man; an independent man; a man of
good fortune and good family; however; he carried on while in
opposition a traffic; a shameful traffic with the Ministry。  Bishop
Burnet knew of 6;000 pounds which he had received at one payment。  I
believe the payment of sums in hard moneyplain; naked briberyis
rare amongst us。  It was then far from uncommon。

A triennial was near ruining; a septennial parliament saved; your
Constitution; nor perhaps have you ever known a more flourishing
period for the union of national prosperity; dignity; and liberty;
than the sixty years you have passed under that Constitution of
parliament。

The shortness of time; in which they are to reap the profits of
iniquity; is far from checking the avidity of corrupt men; it
renders them infinitely more ravenous。  They rush violently and
precipitately on their object; they lose all regard to decorum。  The
moments of profit are precious; never are men so wicked as during a
general mortality。  It was so in the great plague at Athens; every
symptom of which (and this its worst amongst the rest) is so finely
related by a great historian of antiquity。  It was so in the plague
of London in 1665。  It appears in soldiers; sailors; &c。  Whoever
would contrive to render the life of man much shorter than it is;
would; I am satisfied; find the surest recipe for increasing the
wickedness of our nature。

Thus; in my opinion; the shortness of a triennial sitting would have
the following ill effects:… It would make the member more
shamelessly and shockingly corrupt; it would increase his dependence
on those who could best support him at his election; it would wrack
and tear to pieces the fortunes of those who stood upon their own
fortunes and their private interest; it would make the electors
infinitely more venal; and it would make the whole body of the
people; who are; whether they have votes or not; concerned in
elections; more lawless; more idle; more debauched; it would utterly
destroy the sobriety; the industry; the integrity; the simplicity of
all the people; and undermine; I am much afraid; the deepest and
best laid foundations of the commonwealth。

Those who have spoken and written upon this subject without doors;
do not so much deny the probable existence of these inconveniences
in their measure; as they trust for the prevention to remedies of
various sorts; which they propose。  First; a place bill; but if this
will not do; as they fear it will not; then; they say; we will have
a rotation; and a certain number of you shall be rendered incapable
of being elected for ten years。  Then; for the electors; they shall
ballot; the members of parliament also shall decide by ballot; and a
fifth project is the change of the present legal representation of
the kingdom。  On all this I shall observe; that it will be very
unsuitable to your wisdom to adopt the project of a bill; to which
there are objections insuperable by anything in the bill itself;
upon the hope that those objections may be removed by subsequent
projects; every one of which is full of difficulties of its own; and
which are all of them very essential alterations in the
Constitution。  This seems very irregular and unusual。  If anything
should make this a very doubtful measure; what can make it more so
than that; in the opinion of its advocates; it would aggravate all
our old inconveniences in such a manner as to require a total
alteration in the Constitution of the kingdom?  If the remedies are
proper in a triennial; they will not be less so in septennial
elections; let us try them first; see how the House relishes them;
see how they will operate in the nation; and then; having felt your
way; you will be prepared against these inconveniences。

The honourable gentleman sees that I respect the principle upon
which he goes; as well as his intentions and his abilities。  He will
believe that I do not differ from him wantonly; and on trivial
grounds。  He is very sure that it was not his embracing one way
which determined me to take the other。  I have not; in newspapers;
to derogate from his fair fame with the nation; printed the first
rude sketch of his bill with ungenerous and invidious comments。  I
have not; in conversations industriously circulated about the town;
and talked on the benches of this House; attributed his conduct to
motives low and unworthy; and as groundless as they are injurious。
I do not affect to be frightened with this proposition; as if some
hideous spectre had started from hell; which was to be sent back
again by every form of exorcism; and every kind of incantation。  I
invoke no Acheron to overwhelm him in the whirlpools of his muddy
gulf。  I do not tell the respectable mover and seconder; by a
perversion of their sense and expressions; that their proposition
halts between the ridiculous and the dangerous。  I am not one of
those who start up three at a time; and fall upon and strike at him
with so much eagerness; that our daggers hack one another in his
sides。  My honourable friend has not brought down a spirited imp of
chivalry; to win the first achievement and blazon of arms on his
milk…white shield in a field listed against him; nor brought out the
generous offspring of lions; and said to them; 〃Not against that
side of the forest; beware of thathere is the prey where you are
to fasten your paws;〃 and seasoning his unpractised jaws with blood;
tell him; 〃This is the milk for which you are to thirst hereafter。〃
We furnish at his expense no holiday; nor suspend hell that a crafty
Ixion may have rest from his wheel; nor give the common adversary;
if he be a common adversary; reason to say; 〃I would have put in my
word to oppose; but the eagerness of your allies in your social war
was such that I could not break in upon you。〃  I hope he sees and
feels; and that every member sees and feels along with him; the
difference between amicable dissent and civil discord。



SPEECH ON REFORM OF REPRESENTATION IN THE HOUSE OF COMMONS
June; 1784



Mr。 Speaker;We have now discovered; at the close of the eighteenth
century; that the Constitution of England; which for a series of
ages had been the proud distinction of this country; always the
admiration; and sometimes the envy; of the wise and learned in every
other nationwe have discovered that this boasted Constitution; in
the most boasted part of it; is a gross imposition upon the
understanding of mankind; an insult to their feelings; and acting by
contrivances destructive to the best and most valuable interests of
the people。  Our political architects have taken a survey of the
fabric of the British Constitution。  It is singular that they report
nothing against the Crown; nothing against the Lords; but in the
House of Commons everything is unsound; it is ruinous in every part。
It is infested by the dry rot; and ready to tumble about our ears
without their immediate help。  You know by the faults they find what
are their ideas of the alteration。  As all government stands upon
opinion; they know that the way utterly to destroy it is to remove
that opinion; to take away all reverence; all confidence from it;
and then; at the first blast of public discontent and popular
tumult; it tumbles to the ground。

In considering this question; they who oppose it; oppose it on
different grounds; one is in the nature of a previous questionthat
some alterations may be expedient; but that this is not the time for
making them。  The other is; that no essential alterations are at all
wanting; and that neither now; nor at any time; is it prudent or
safe to be meddling with the fundamental principles and ancient
tried usages of our Constitutionthat our representation is as
nearly perfect as the necessary imperfection of human affairs and of
human creatures will suffer it to be; and that it is a subject of
prudent and honest use and thankful enjoyment; and not of captious
criticism and rash experiment。

On the other side; there are two parties; who proceed on two
groundsin my opinion; as they state them; utterly irreconcilable。
The one is juridical; the other political。  The one is in the nature
of a claim of right; on the supposed rights of man as man; this
party desire the decision of a suit。  The other ground; as far as I
can divine what it directly means; is; that the representation is
not so politically framed as to answer the theory of its
institution。  As to the claim of right; the meanest petitioner; the
most gross and ignorant; is as good as the best; in some respects
his claim is more favourable on account of his ignorance; his
weakness; his poverty and distress only add 

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